Horsewhip mum going to court to keep her kids
note: update below
Righto. This is appalling.
If you haven't done so, read the background to this case
I've spoken the mother who was acquitted of child abuse. She is going to court tomorrow to try and get her
son back even though she has won her earlier case. What's also concerning is that she is also going to court to try and retain custody of her 11-year-old daughter that CYFS is trying to take off her
The family had a family group conference, but the CYFS social worker deliberately withheld the outcome. That outcome was that the child should be in the care of his mother. That should have been the end of it
The mother told me that the social worker believes that because the woman's husband has a conviction for incest 30 years ago that he is an unsafe parent and should not have his stepchildren living with him as he is considered at "extreme risk" of sexually abusing his stepdaughter. What do readers think? Shall I name the social worker? I can't name the mother as she has a final suppression order.
The daughter is distraught. So distraught that she has written a letter to the judge. With her mothers permission I am blogging it.
To the judge of the Family Court
I'm writing to tell you that I do not want to be taken away from my mum or my step dad. My mum has never done anything to hurt me K (stepfather) has never done anything to hurt me.
I feel safe with mum and K and I don’t want to live anywhere else Mr (social worker) has said that I said K
hit me and that mum hit me with the riding crop and the cane. I have only ever seen the social worker once and school last year and I did not tell him these things at all. K has never hit me and mum has never hit me with those things
I know all about K.'s past and (withheld) and I know he would never do anything like this to me
If anything ever happens to me I will tell Grandad or my teacher or mum, even if I was told not to. I love Mum and K. Please don’t let CYPS get custody of me or I will be very sad. CYFS got custody of my brother nine months ago and is still not home. I do not want this to happen to me
PLEASE HELP ME STAY WITH MUM AND K….
Whatever happened to the wishes of the children in this case?
This case is the very reason why parents must be allowed to have the legal option of smacking their kids - and the authorities must let them, and not tell parents that smacking is illegal when it is not.
Had the law been upheld, this woman will be living with both her kids. She now has the risk of losing them purely because those with power preach and practise that it is illegal to smack your kids, even if you have been cleared in court. And because they say so, you are an unsafe parent.
I`ll update you tomorrow hopefully. Come back then.
UPDATE Have just been advised that after travelling 350 ks to the court, this person's court case has been put off again as the judge did not turn up to hear the case. Will upate when advised of a new hearing date.
25 comments:
Oh my god.
If you feel comfortable naming the social worker, it would be good. Maybe a list of spazo social workers for public safety would be a good thing.
But, maybe the advice of a lawyer first would be in order, just in case.
Keep it up Dave. I am sure the Mother appreciates any measure of support. We will link to this widely.
This is abuse by the State, and it is clear they consider their opinion far more correct and appropriate and "loving" than the mother's.
What anguish and stress have they already put the girl through to get it to this stage?
And the do-gooder s59ners just want to make it easier for social workers and harder for parents. A smack doesn't leave evidence of abuse, because it is not abuse.
Soon, it will simply be the word of the social worker. Evidence will not be sought, because it will not be required. Smacking will be a crime. The punishment - a life away from your parents, your brothers and sisters. And if you grow up to be a little shit, you can always become a social worker and do it to another family.
Isn't that the current social theory on child abuse?
Well, first of all you guys advocate a woman beating her child half to death, and then you think it is OK for her daughter to live under the roof of a convicted child sex abuser. Oh right, pereantal rights rule OK. Regardless of whether the kids get beaten or raped.
It is not for the social worker to override a court & a childs wishes and decide the husband is a risk. the worker seems to have a fixation. You are doing the right thing. sunshine is the best policy. Name the social worker.
I would be interested in reading any transcripts you may have.
I want a statement on this blog condeming child abuse in all shapes and form.
Until that happens I will still assume you think that violence against kids is OK.
David
What will naming the social worker do? will it lead to justice?
Is there a relationship here that we don't know of.
also the SES worker who are they and what relationship do they have with the mother/family social worker/cyps.
I understand it is very hard for the social workers as they see abuse and abuse again and again.
as for the man 30yrs is a long time.
If the man has reoffended then he must go to jail.
But not for just 3yrs which means 2 as I saw recently.
rape is rape even with nice little words like incest.
sadly the rehabilitation rate is in single figures for this offence.
However If the facts are true in this case then Steve Maharey has to remove/sack the head of CYPS in that area and the social worker especially, kidnapping is kidnapping even if legal!
Also the head of CYPS needs serious attention too if they knew of this case.
Cindy Kiro needs the sack too if she knows the facts and hasn't come to the aid of the girl and the boy.
this sounds weird as there is another attack on the family.
are they Christian?
who is the social worker?
what is his position on faith?
This really doesn't sound right.
Helen should be very worried for if this situation is out of control and she knows about it then she must sack Maharey or resign.
this could be the thing that tips the scales against Labour.
no wonder the press is running scared, but then they couldn't spell investigation.
have you sent this to investigate magazine at howlingatthemoon.com?
best
Mike
This is no different to 18 years ago a social worker telling me to thank my wife for breeding my children and to let her go. In fact at the time she was in severe post natal depression.
I think it is time ALL social workers whoever they work for to be called to account for their actions.
Go away Brendon, you're well outnumbered here, you fool.
To the mother involved in this case, hang tough, don't give up (I'm sure you won't). My wife and I have not long ago succeeded in beating a government department over home-educating our kid's.
The secret to success for us was getting good people around as support, first and foremost God (not your sister or best friend, get real help, advocates, lawyers, MP's, magazine editors, etc.), and call the departments bluff. Go ahead, if the law is on your side, demand stuff that is legally yours. You must also go over the head of the social worker and go straight to the head of the department that you are dealing with, they may try to pass you on to someone else, fine, go above them if necessary.
They bullshit and threaten if necessary, don't take any of it.
Don't hold back and be nice and accomodating, be polite always, but never back down and don't be intimidated. These bastards back down to someone with balls.
Best of luck!
By the way, name the bloody social worker.
I condemn child abuse in all shapes and forms, even abuse of left wing nutters.
There y'go Millsy - are y'happy now?
Of course if you think all forms of smacking are child abuse you won't be.
Mike, the woman is a Christian, as it happens. Of the four or five people in her town that she knows of who are battling to get and keep custody of their kids, guess how many are Christians?
All of them.
Brendon, you fool. Do the words of the daughter mean anything to you. Do the wishes of the child have any weight?
Of course I absolutely condemn abuse of children. There is a difference, in my mind, between discipline and abuse. Discussing that line is not served by your ridiculous exaggerations.
Since you like to put words in mouths, here's what I have heard from you:
1. Social workers are always right
2. People are beyond rehabilitation.
3. People are beyond redemption.
4. Smacking is abuse.
5. A suitable punishment for a child receiving a smack is to permanently remove him from his parents and place him in State care.
6. Repeat until there are no children left.
7. State care should be the first aim with any family issues.
8. The CYFS are there to split families, nit work with them to keep them together. This indeed seems to be their mission statement.
Brendon - do you have children?
Were you ever disciplined as a child?
Of course, most, if not all of the
people commenting here would condemn child abuse.
Loving, effective, physical discipline is not child abuse. I would almost go as far as saying that it is not 'violence', either. Take a look at the definition of the word 'violence'.
Grow a brain and don't cling to irrational dogma.
I think there are a lot of people here who are having a lot of trouble distinguishing fact from fiction. Evidence from opinion.
Hers, for a start Millsy writes fiction, but believes it as fact. THats why he cant back up his opinion with fact (or reply to my reply to his email)
perhaps I`ll blog that sometime...
1. I have serious concerns about the letter 'written' by the 11 year old.
2. Let the judge decide. We have a legal system for a reason.
3. Funny how those people who call for Chemical castration, or permanent lockdown for paedophiles can be so forgiving when that person is a christian. Consistency people...
4. Barbara - I'll take advice from www.familyintegrity.org.nz when you take advice from a gay friendly website. Your working definition of smacking is forced double-talk. I don't believe that smacking is abuse (though use of a riding crop is). However, smacking IS assault - that's why we have section 59 - to provide a defence.
So how should one discipline a child who has just swung a baseball bat full force with intent to injure at someones head?? I suggest the child needed more than a whack with a riding crop.
Personally if a judge or magistrate can't tell the difference between a smack or a hiding then they shouldn't be getting money out of the public purse.
ladies and gentlemen.
I'd like to suggest that there is another aspect to this that we are not acknowledging.
That is the relationship of the child to the parent.
The child is not the same legally as the adult.
why?
because they are a child.
they fall under the control and care of the adult.
that's why there is s59 for parents.
as if the child were the same as an adult it would always be assault to touch (no matter the force) the child without their permission.
This isn't about the law.
nor is it about protecting children from abuse.
they are merely canards used to hide the real reason.
this is all about about changing the relationships between the parents and children and the relationships within a family.
otherwise known as social engineering.
They are just being obtuse about the reason.
Otherwise known as lying and who is the mother of all liars?
Welcome to Helengrad.
best
Mike
I AM 49 YEARS OLD AND I WAS TOLD WHEN MY CHILDREN WERE BORN THAT SMACKING THEM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD REPATIVELY OR EVEN ON A DAILY BASIS CAN CAUSE BRAIN TRAUMA.
BUT MY STEP-SON MOTHER DOESN'T THINK SO. SHE SMACKED HIM REAL HARD ON THE BACK OF HIS HEAD (I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING AT THAT TIME)CHRISTMAS EVE FOR NO REASON AND WHEN SHE BROUGHT HIM BACK ON CHRISTMAS NIGHT SHE SMACKED HIM AGAIN BUT NOT AS HARD, I THEN TOLD HER THAT THIS CAN CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BRAIN, SHE LAUGHED. I THEN TOLD HER SHE NEEDS TO CHECK UP ON THE SMACKING OF KIDS. WHEN SHE LEFT HER SON TOLD ME THAT SHE HIT HIM THAT HARD ON CHRISTMAS EVE BECAUSE SHE IS USED TO HITTING HER OTHER SON HARD. I TOLD HIM MAYBE THAT'S WHY HIS BROTHER KEEPS ENDING UP IN JAIL FOR STEALING, IDENTITY THEFT, ETC.
DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION THAT I CAN PRINT TO SHOW HER THAT SHE DOESN'T NEED TO SMACK HIM JUST LET HIM KNOW VERBALLY IF HE SAID SOMETHING THAT SHE DID NOT LIKE.
THANKS MY EMAIL IS MPARHAM@PALECEK.COM
THANKS
I'd much rather be hit with a riding crop (all noise no pain) than a wooden spoon.
You could as well beat a kid to death with a riding crop as pelt a donkey to death with ripe figs.
And the state taking the kid away and keeping it drugged isn't abuse?
Was it you Millsy that was the aghast one at the christchurch pub. I hope you don't like any sort of competitiveness, cos people under these new proposed laws are gonna grow up to be a pack of selfish wimps.
hey guys go fer gold name them especially the social worker and judge involved aye ,have had my own drama s withcyps over theyrs they decide u unsafe then its tough bickies and they target you as well as they get targeted it suks no end but thats the system and the kids in care suffer too raped murdered beaten how do we stop it aint by doing it legally aye we the people must take control
my 2 kids were removd ilegally to then social welfare net now theyre grown up and have suffer teribly at the hands of the keepers my daughter was raped repeatedly bashed my sons a drug addict and volient .. whats the f.......n govt doing it suks get a lawyer what a waste of money heart ache and time effort all fer nothing at the end of the day im left so dam disgusted that going nuts in there offices and shooting a few wud be tempting and then whats they lock me up as a nutter yer right govt wants this site removed and those who oput stuff in here done fer it stiff bilies as parents ay i can name names but at what cost and hey its the govt ya cant win ,people of new zealand stand up and take controll instead we live in whats suposed to be a democratic society but the reality is our countrys been raped along with our kids we have child like politicians who are just lining their pockets and we end up paying over and over write to ur mp what a fkn joke that is they pass the buck come on people were kiwis stand up n be counted make these prics acountable for there stuff ups that cost s our kids their lives
change parties a joke thyre all the same take over the govt yer yer hang a few of emn yer yer
the times coming .......
Good on ya Dave.
It's quite interesting, reading the facts of the Timaru "horse-whip" case, thanks for that.
Kiwis want to keep Section 59
This website helps you to email the MPs, and has updates on the Section59 debate.
I'm going to link to your blog, and will be checking back!
Cheers, Andy
I to are going through something similar only it was the Open Home Foundation Wanganui NZ office that has constantly lied, cheated, abused my 2 year old Autistic son who is now 4 coming on 5 in Aug.
Beware of that Open Home Office, they are corrupt and cover up the abusive caregivers acts well. Would you believe that the caregiver herself told me she had neglected my son? Well she did, I alerted the manager, David Reese who told me to'play fair' ( going through court at that stage ) i went to another social worker Hester who informed me to 'Shut up, you can't look after him anyway' well, I forced them to do a investagation, it took 2 months of constant nagging and then not surprisingly not any of then could remember me informing them, to this day that caregiver is still looking after children and even with a court order in my favour I still don't see my son or have anything to do with him because I found out there dirty secret of allowing children to be abused by there personal church family caregivers. All I say is, -one day the truth will be told about this disgraceful bye and ce agentcy-but unfortunately I think it will come to light to be any use to me and my poor son who now cannot speak any words because of the neglectful care he is and was receiving. So I say, be ever careful with agencies who offer respite care, they will try to take your child and any other children you may have. CYFS have backed us up, so maybe we got the 'good' worker who was honest and prepared to be reasonable and just. Just don't use Open Home Wanganui or even Palmerston North office and beware of dirty tactics and lies.
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