tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post116044710274974571..comments2023-10-30T03:47:35.450+13:00Comments on Big News: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160605992872033222006-10-12T11:33:00.000+13:002006-10-12T11:33:00.000+13:00Chuck, aren't you supposed to be making yourself a...Chuck, aren't you supposed to be making yourself a nuisance with Investigrunt?<BR/><BR/>And as for the members of Family Integrity et al not being involved with antigay groups in the past, Craig Smith and his homeschoolers<BR/>network ran a magazine called Keystone and were linked to the CHP; Family First is staffed by ex-Radio Rhema staffers; and SST has gone off the rails, deviating from its core mission, which was to implement more stringent sentences for violent offenders (which I strongly support).<BR/><BR/>When it comes down to it, the pro-repeal lobby is citing evidence-based pediatric and child welfare information to support its case, while the Christian Right opponents of the Bradford Bill show little real concern about the victims of severe child battery. <BR/><BR/>Those people are the targets of this legislation, not someone who gives their little one a firm tap on the hand or tells them off for trying to run away into the traffic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160599192338669122006-10-12T09:39:00.000+13:002006-10-12T09:39:00.000+13:00Craig, FGM was not a NZ cultural practice. When f...Craig, FGM was not a NZ cultural practice. When foreigners bring in abhorent cultural practices, the majority will support their being outlawing. <BR/><BR/>The repeal of S59, however, <B>is not supported by the majority</B> of NZ'ers. 80% of NZ'ers nothing wrong with smacking. 80%, Craig. A small, vocal minority of moralistic authoritarians is trying to ram this legislation down NZ'ers throats.<BR/><BR/>I would ask you, what is wrong with physical discipline? What is wrong with parents being able to assert their authority over their children to ensure those children do not run amuck? Children, like some adults I have met, cannot be reasoned with. There are times when consequences to behaviour need to be enforced.Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160558166758804342006-10-11T22:16:00.000+13:002006-10-11T22:16:00.000+13:00ummmm.... I wouldnt go that far,Chuck, whaddayarec...ummmm.... I wouldnt go that far,Chuck, whaddayarecon Craig?Swimminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913329810121951824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160554122621204112006-10-11T21:08:00.000+13:002006-10-11T21:08:00.000+13:00Which is more violent :-(a) smacking a child with ...Which is more violent :-<BR/>(a) smacking a child with an open hand, or;<BR/>(b) sucking a tiny human to pieces while tucked safely inside its mother ?!?<BR/><BR/>Its outrageous that those the most strongly opposed to (a) seem to have no problem with (b)<BR/><BR/>I deploy violence against anyone, and the more vulerable the victim the more i hate it. However to suggest that all corporal punishment is violence because it involves physical contact is nonsense. Applying that definition should, for the sake of consistency, outlaw a huge number of sports for startersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160545649014056102006-10-11T18:47:00.000+13:002006-10-11T18:47:00.000+13:00Craig,nost anti repeal groups consist of volunteer...Craig,nost anti repeal groups consist of volunteers with workers highly subsidised by the Govt like your mates in the AIDS Foundation. Some in the Pro repeal grous are also professionally qualified in child welfare butr they are not getting any govt funding and are currently winning this battle.<BR/><BR/>How would you feel if the homosexual law reform bill was repealed? Would you protest?<BR/><BR/>Given that groups like family integrity and Family First, Sensible Sentemcing Trust etc werent even around 20 years ago why are you saying that they opposed Homosexual law reform back then?<BR/><BR/>Your last sentence in the previous comment is totally irrelevant. So There.Swimminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913329810121951824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160532293890028522006-10-11T15:04:00.000+13:002006-10-11T15:04:00.000+13:00Yes, but female genital mutilation was also a cult...Yes, but female genital mutilation was also a cultural practice until it was outlawed here, amongst some immigrant groups.<BR/><BR/>Given that the parties involved on the anti-repeal side opposed decriminalisation of homosexuality twenty years ago, Lucyna, it's a little late to protest at infringement of others rights. <BR/><BR/>In any case, what's wrong with nonviolent disciplinary sanctions for child-rearing?<BR/><BR/>Craig Y.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160515743112633112006-10-11T10:29:00.000+13:002006-10-11T10:29:00.000+13:00Of course they are special interest groups. But t...Of course they are special interest groups. But they are not out there trying to criminalise aspects of your behaivour that are currently legal, are they?<BR/><BR/>In this case, special interest groups are trying to criminalise a cultural, legal practise. If people can get away with that, there's a whole lot more they could do that might just impact on you one day.<BR/><BR/>Maybe when it's too late.Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160514785434220512006-10-11T10:13:00.000+13:002006-10-11T10:13:00.000+13:00And the predominantly fundamentalist anti-repeal g...And the predominantly fundamentalist anti-repeal groups aren't special interest groups themselves? At least most of the pro-repeal organisations consist of qualified professionals in the field of child health and welfare...<BR/><BR/>Craig Y.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6675359.post-1160513679371344572006-10-11T09:54:00.000+13:002006-10-11T09:54:00.000+13:00Wow.If Sue Bradford does manage to get S59 repeale...Wow.<BR/><BR/>If Sue Bradford does manage to get S59 repealed, I would hope that National would campaign for the next election for a repeal of the repeal.<BR/><BR/>I was thinking today, these social engineering changes put in by members of parliament ought to be put outside their scope. Maybe what we need to do is campaign for referrendums for social engineering changes rather than let special interest groups make law in this area.Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.com